Isabella’s bruise – the mock interview with commentary by Professor Martine Powell

Intro

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this interview starts out well even

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though James is quite anxious about what

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his greeting is relaxed confident and

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matter-of-fact he shows no sense of

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wrongdoing or frivolity in his tone of

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voice rather his behavior suggests that

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the meeting with isabella is important

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but there's no reason why she would not

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want to engage isabella and james know

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each other well which is why there was

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no need for introduction isabella seems

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at ease in James's company he has a

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respectful courteous and transparent

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manner of engaging as deputy principal

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James wears multiple hats in the school

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but he doesn't assume that isabella is

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aware of all of those even though they

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know each other

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James must explain his current quite

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distinct role in a concrete manner he

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keeps his explanation brief and in terms

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of what is expected of Isabella that is

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we're going to have a talk he doesn't

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bring up the top of concern yet to

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elicit an honest and elaborate account

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from Isabella he needs to establish a

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good interviewing framework first by

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promising to take Isabella back to her

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mother

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after the interview this helps relieve

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potential anxiety James wants Isabella

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to be as focused relaxed and non

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distracted as possible

Conversational rules

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in this section James explains some

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pragmatic rules that will enhance their

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communication

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he knows that conversational rules

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change across different settings when he

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teaches in the classroom for example

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James encourages children to guess when

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they don't know a response and he

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discourages slang or swear words

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here in the interview room isabella

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needs to know which rules apply James's

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tone words and manner support an

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uninhibited and flexible communication

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he uses short and simple sentences some

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interviewers include a practical example

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to reinforce the okay to say don't know

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rule for example they ask the child a

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question that the child could not

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possibly know the answer to and then

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reiterate why don't know was the correct

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response James didn't feel that was

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necessary with Isabella based on his

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experience she was not a child that

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seemed prone to suggestion

Practice narrative

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here James is doing an initial interview

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with Isabella about a topic she's really

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interested in rock climbing we call this

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a practice narrative the practice

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narrative isn't very long but it primes

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Isabella - the open-ended style of

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questioning and reinforces her role as a

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valued informant importantly James

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betrays a sense of ignorant and interest

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in rock climbing for Isabella the

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process of teaching James about her

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experience is empowering and helps

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establish her confidence as an informant

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and her trust in the communication

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process the practice narrative also gets

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Isabella into a deep elaborate style of

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memory processing one where she is doing

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all the talking as opposed to giving

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brief responses to more focused

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questions this increases the likelihood

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that Isabella will give elaborate

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responses when later talking about the

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topic of concern

Introducing the topic of concern

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even though James initiated the meeting

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he knew it was best to try to get his

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Abela to introduce and label the event

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in her own words research suggests that

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the best way to do this is to use the

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prompt tell me what you've come to talk

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to me about today if Isabella had said

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she'd come to talk about how mrs. gray

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hurt her James wouldn't have had to

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raise any prior information in this case

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he had to raise the mark but even so his

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initiating prompt was still useful in

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identifying and clarifying Isabella's

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misconceptions about the purpose of the

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interview raising prior information is

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always risky James minimize this risk by

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being open-minded he introduced the

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concern without raising the issue of

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contention which was how the mark got

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there he showed open-mindedness by not

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assuming that the mark was a bruise

Eliciting a narrative account of the event

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James has clearly learned how to get a

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narrative account from children he

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starts the narrative with a broad

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open-ended question tell me everything

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that happened and start from the

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beginning he uses a variety of

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open-ended questions to then expand what

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happened and elicit more elaborate

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detail about parts of the event without

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dictating what specific information is

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required the story is allowed to unfold

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Isabella's own pace and in her own words

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James repeatedly uses phrases like what

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happened to keep Isabella talking he

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also uses nonverbal encourages such as

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head nodding AHA and repeating back the

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last few words

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James reinforced the initial ground

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rules in this process he said it was

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okay when Isabella did not know a

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response and he emphasized the

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importance of being as detailed as

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possible

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James reflects confidence and patience

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in his communication process through

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long pauses and he does not react in any

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particular way to what isabella is

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saying isabella shouldn't have to deal

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with James's internal thoughts fears and

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reactions right now what she needs is to

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be listened to understood and not judged

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the fact that this interview is taking

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place and the manner of engagement shows

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Isabella that she is a valued member of

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the school community and this is what

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matters most to her children have the

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right to be asked what happened to them

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just like adults it takes a little while

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but Isabella gradually starts to

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understand the flow of the interview

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when James directs Isabella to talk

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about the event in question the arm

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grabbing he still allows her to control

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what she reports by using questions that

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merely encourage her to provide more

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information James doesn't show

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irritation when he gets no response he

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gently persists with another open

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question in a neutral calm interested

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way

Further questioning

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James is aware of the danger of using

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too many closed and specific questions

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these heightened the potential for

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unintentional error and misunderstanding

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James minimize these questions by taking

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time out to reflect on what additional

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information he needed from Isabella

Closure

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during closure James asks Isabella she

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has any questions he keeps his promise

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to walk Isabella back to her mother and

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he finishes the interview by

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reintroducing the positive topic the

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rock climbing

Edited by Loressa Clisby

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